Is the live_rules.se patch from following link included in version 3.3? I did not see it in the distribution. I'm assuming the live_rules.se has not changes from version 3.21 to 3.3 distribution, so I should be able to use same patch to resolve the issue after upgrading. http://www.orcaware.com/pipermail/orca-users/2002-August/002308.html Thanks, Liston